OFFENDED by the portrait of their dad with his genitals hanging out, President Jacob Zuma's daughters yesterday broke their silence and described the image as "the straw that broke the camels back ..."
the mere fact that you associate the painting with racism creates tensions... now would it have made any difference if the man in the painting was painted white?
the constitution that we fought for allows and protects the right to freedom of expression...now if the painting is to be removed would that not be destroying the very constitution the we love and protect?
is it wrong for an artist to have a creative imagination that is not limited? sometime we have to laugh at our selves in relation to how other people see(picture) us and not always expect to be seen in a good picture.
a lot of comedians (black&white) had made nasty,rude and disgraceful comments about the president did we say they are racist/disrespectful of our country and president or did we just laugh it off?
why can't we just laugh this off and continue to build a south Africa in which blacks and whites do not tolerate one another but really love and live in peace without raising the race card every time one of us makes a mistake.
In this case the government must Follow Mugabe way OF DOING THINGS Just send police or SANDF tO REMOVE IT AND THEN THEY CAN FOLLOW LEGAL PROCESS WHILE IT IS REMOVED. iT IS JUST NOT RIGHT
The painting is for your ignorant father so leave black people in general out of it , i think de painting is distasteful but leave us out of it , FOR ME IS "SIES" to de zumas wth their entitlement mentality, en yr KHULUBUSE " SIES TO HIM FOR EXPLOITING DE POOR MINERS" SO GET OVER YOURSELVES !!!!!!
Sies to you Thandy, this is not about being entitled, no matter what the Zuma's do behind closed doors no person deserves to be displayed in such a distasteful manner, you must truly be sick to even agree with this painting whether you are black or white, you must really be ignorant to not see what is wrong about this painting, I don't agree with alot of the things the Zuma's are all about but displaying Mr Zuma in such a manner is sick.
U OBVIOUSLY DONT READ PROPERLY, DES NO WHERE IN MY COMMENT WHERE I AGREE WITH DE PAINTING I SAID , " DE PAINTING IS DISTASTEFUL" SO B 4 U STARTS SPEWING BILE ON ME READ WITH YR BRAIN NOT YR EMMOTIONS.
Thandy charity begins at home, clearly you were not brought up well, if you were brought up in a family that has values and morals you'd clearly see that this is a degrading, disrespectful, pathetic art. No matter what he did, he is still an elder, leader of S.A etc. Hating the guy doesn't give anyone the right to degrade him like that. Sies on you. I feel sorry for your kids because they'll be brought up with no morals or respect for elders.mnxa!
this painting has nothing to do with the poor miners, its about his personal business that he does behind closed doors which I must add MIGHT be less than what YOU do behind closed doors so don't judge and yes some of us are appalled by this so no don't leave us out of it only you cause some of us share the same sentiments as this woman's.
You obiviously got your own little mind twisted by all of this maybe this was all too much for your little brain to comment about, because if you understood the serverity of this whole matter you wouldn't be saying the Zuma's have an entitled mentality, and if you had the intellectual capacity to understand why I felt you were not against the painting you would have understood why you were for the painting, because you are contradicting yourself by saying the painting is distasteful, but then you turn around and say "the painting is for your ignorant father." and "to the zumas with their entitlement mentality" this actually overrides you thinking the painting is distasteful and makes it seem you see Zuma in the same light as the artist who actually painted the stupid painting in the first place, so please decide what the topic is about before you let your little finger go crazy with the keyboard and start accusing people of not reading right and spitting bile on you, the topic is not about what the Zuma's are all about, but that this particular picture is down right disrespectful. PS
BS man Thandy, you know that is a load of rice pudding, if ubaba wakho eyisidakwa esaziwayo emphakathini Kuchaza ukuthi winina kini nomphakathi ophila kuwona kumele ningamu hloniphi njengomtomdala, cha shame kusho ukuthi uqhamuka ekhaya nasemphakathini ongenabuntu, mina ngikhuliswe ngaze ukuthi umuntu omdala oyahlonishwa regardless and even the good book says so, "Hlonipha uyihlo nonyko ukuze izinsuku zakho zande ezweni" akuho lakuthi muhloniphe uma ezihlonipha kuphela.
yes they have entitlement syndrome , khulubuse didnt pay the poor miners who worked their ass off for their salaries, Edward didnt pay the event company that organized his wedding ,he didnt event return the ring that they borrowed him, WHY? mantuli didnt pay her helper, and also spent 30 000 of the NGO's money on herself WHY? EVERY SOUTH AFRICAN KNOWS THAT IF U USE A SERVICE OF ANY KIND U MUST PAY FOR IT . THEY SEEM TO EXPECT THINGS FOR FREE, maybe in yr own little mind u also think they deserve things forfree
Shame Thandy umqodo wakho uhlangahlangene, what does this issue ya Khulubuse have to do with the issue at hand, no one has disputed that what Khulubuse and Madiba's grandson did is wrong in so many ways, but what I don't get is can't you understand that we are dealing with this artist stripping Zuma's dignity to shreds here and not what the Zuma clan is doing in business or politics, let me rephrase this to you as if speaking to a two year old, WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT THE STUPID ARTIST WHO IS UNCURTH ENOUGH TO DRAW A PICTURE OF AN ELDER'S GENITALS AND DISPLAY IT PUBLICLY,everyone in South Africa has a right to dignity even you "Thandy" and no one should be disgraced in that manner be you a politician, crude business man, a drunk, pastor , unruly teenager even a serial rapists, you have never seen any artist drawing the genitals of any serial rapist in this country even the most notorious, because they have rights, but then what gives this idiot a right to insult Zuma.
THANY, THANDY THANY............. A NAA NTATAAGO O NE SEBELETSA KHULUBUSE IF YOU HATE HIM SO MUCH, YOU SOUND TOO PERSONAL ON THE ISSUE AS IF GA O NA NTATE SIS!
Shame guys, Thandy is a jealous lonely soul, she wishes she was Khulubuse. Shame sisi get your facts straight and start respecting your elders nawe one day you'll be blessed with money ok?
Exactly, I just imagine my life with a father who has history with especially people old enough to be his kids, imagine myself at it undressing for a child half my age, thence go around the world preaching safe sex when i cant.... Cant wrong be spelt wrong without defending and hiding it? If you start a trend i think you should be able to keep with its outcomes!!!!
You know hatred is such an ugly disease and it feeds with the one who harbours it. Legitimise was the partner of Mandela's nephew , but because for some reason that you guys hate the president so much so that you can't even remember that he was not alone. In your hearts the president is such an enemy you can't even see beyond your hatred. Even his children deserve to be insulted. What makes you think he's ignorant? South Africans, I wish you knew what you obviously so ignorant about.
If charity began at home then our president would have thought of his family first before doing things that will come negetively towards him and family. to him it's just a political plot but for his family it's a disgress as much they are saying disrespectful amongst themselves they know that their father in his own doing is creating this tention, we must know that the mother of the said daughter is divorced to msholozi " I wonder why " and we must be aware that the painter was his peer.
This is rasism at it's best, I may not agree with alot of things our president does but I still respect him as an elder person, father and as a human being, this artist was surely raised by animals because no self respecting person would would even think od an elderly persons genitals let alone paint it to be displayed in a public place, the one thing I love about being black is we are thought respect and I wouldn't even dare look at the privates of a well known drunk in our area even if he gets so drunk as to display them himself.This artist has truly striped Mr Zuma of his dignity and no human being deserves to be treated like this no matter what wrong things he has done in the past .
Stop this idiot before he makes us all look like idiots, this is not about freedom of speech nor about political differences, this is disrespect
As for you gogosboy and your hypocritical comment comes to show you are a real gogosboy and your gogo has been doing all the thinking for you and now that it's time for you to read a real topic and reponds, you can't think of anything clever to say, I do not support our president sleeping with many women, but how many old men go around night after night buying sex from protitutes, thats why the industry is still booming, why don't you post a comment telling them to zip up.the issue at hand is not about the president sleeping around it's about this stupid artist who does not seem to have a creative streak degrading the president a human being.
@ Lindelwa you don't have to be emotional sisi. its Zuma the men we talking about here, he's going to disappoint you. People like Zuma needs to hear and see their true reflection from other people's eyes. we don't need to drag other people into these convesation but lets keep our focus on the men on the picture.
@Godosboy and Njenjecoach you really dont have respect for elders, how dare you support such a disrespectful and resists kind of a photo. Like any man, our president does what other man like you do. Surely your father cheated on your mother, do you think it would good for him to be exposed in such a manner?
I wonder how old are you to talk to an adult like that. Even that child you claim its a child half his age is a grown up woman in her late 30's or early 40's. You all speak like he molested a teenager. Whether you like it or not none of these women cry foul about marrying him. Whether I redicule him or not IT IS AFRICAN CULTURE! He did not invent it, it has been practised for donkey years. Some of you have as many women UNKNOWN and you act as if you are angels SHAME ON YOU!
@Njenjecoach. You know you are just unbelievable. So because its Zuma he doesn't deserve human dignity and have no rights at all? What kind of people are you? You know if something happened to some RACIST, you'd defend him like your life depended on it just like that ......of a security guard who was prepared to .... that black HERO and disregarded that white man who actually was the one who started to deface the stupid painting. So you see there are many of you.
I think they should stop speaking for all south africans or all blacks, it's ok for him to humiliate himself but not for others. Yes the pic was below the belt but he had it coming. more insults are still coming on road to Mangaung Baba! Suck it Up kids!>>>!
I think you right they should stop speaking for all southafrican as a south african living abroad its a shame to have a President like Jacob Zuma his daughters will fight for him yes but the guy has no morals at all he is a rapist and a rapist should be treated like that let the world see the weapon he has to have kids and wives for people to support their lavish lifestyle whilst poor BLACK people are suffering .... I wish I was in South africa I Would greatly be at mangaung to see this prick go down.
A leader earns respect due to the things that he does while holding the highest office in our land. What is actually distasteful about the painting? What has this Jacob Zuma done to earn respect? nothing!!! Zuma has called this to himself and that’s the expression of what the artist seen on him—someone who just can’t keep his thing in his pants!!!Finish and klaar—I see no racism on this, the fact is Zuma is the most immoral, criminal, dictator and stupid president South Africa has ever seen.
Tzozoka1, the only stupid thing here is you and your stupid comments which you should have kept to your stupid self, maybe you live in the srburbs, but let me tellyoui something, most of the men in our communities act much foolishly than the president, but we do not go around painting their dirty laundry for the world to see you are such a fool, if your father goes around doing stupid things does that mean he shouldn't be respected as a human being and your father, then you must come from a twisted family if your parents thought you to only respect adults if they earn your respect.PS
@Tzozoka1 and Thandy I wonder which planet you come from, I've never seen such stuping people in my life. Thandy how many guyz you've dated in your life? Maybe I should guyz you slept with? Tzozoka1 I guess respect in not in your world, or should say you eat too much kak now it's coming out your mouth.
Dee Ann wake up and smell the coffee Zuma deserve to be degreated it been a long time coming all his does is make babies and marrying instead of bringing exports deasl to South Africa .... no wonder he is so dumb he never had any education anyway ... he is worse more stupid than his friend Mogabe
@ThembiWalter&Tzozoka The former, go to school you have a chance and stop writing twaak . You know you have a chance president Zuma never had an opportunity. But do you know what is amazing about him? Is that he has achieved what you can only dream of. To the latter, he fought for the freedom you now enjoy disregarding that other people suffered for it and others lost their lives. You could have been impimpi and an agent. Chances are, during the struggle, you did not even pick up even one stone let alone throwing one.
Who do u think u r wena lindelwa to teacch pple about respsct , respect is two way u have to give it to earn it. Js wondering why ukwatile, u mean lomshini ka pres ungaka vele..............uwaz kanjan lomlungu and u cause ukhuluma ngathi uwubonile................bhek'indaba zakho lindelwa or let da pres in
Public offiice comes with pros en cons , u cant b selective and only accept de positives, yes de painting was too below de belt for me but the question is What inspired Murray Brett to make the potrait? Ayanda Mabulu once drew Zuma with de genitals out, but de was never this uproar , why ? Is because it was a black person? I DIDNT LIKE MURRAYS PAINTING BUT I DID LIKE ZAPIROS ON SUNDAY TIMES YESTERDAY. ZUMA MUST START BEHAVING LIKE A LEADER NOT LIKE SOME HORNY LUNATIC !
At the end of the day it's not about him being in public office, the fundemental issue here is that our brains think like politicians and not as black human beings, because if we go back to our roots of ubuntu then we will know that our elders are to be respected regardless of what they do, and we are just as bad as them if we are going to disrespect them like this, basically singabantu ekupheleni kosuku and sizokhula singabinasimilo if sazi ukuthi umtomdala uyadelelwa uma kunesizathu because asikho siszatho sokudelela umunutu omdala ngisho kungathiwa ukwi - Public Office and wenza izinto ezingathandeki.
@LindelwaMkhize--My comments are very clear and into the point, I will repeat them for your benefit- You hold public office, you need to earn the respect from the people you lead, has Zuma done that?according to me no and I have my reasons that are facts known to everyone.
1.This is the guys people know as SHOWER MAN/CAP--no need to explain why?
2.How many kids he sired out there? I lost count should I respect such a guy? I mean really no ways.
3.You cannot force me to respect such a lunatic just in the name of culture ---hayikhona!!!
4.Does he lead by example on cubing the spread of HIV in our country? No he does the opposite, he promotes sleeping around with no protection at all. SIES!!!
Hi there Tzozoka1, I can't understand how you can try repeat your invalid points to me they are definitely not going to benefit me, they are too below my intellectual capacity, and anyways your "points sound like they come from a robot whose only understanding of human life has been the info programmed on it, QUIET FRANKLY I DON'T GIVE A EYE BALL ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK OF MR ZUMA AND WHAT HE HAS DONE IN THE PAST, ALL YOUR POINTS AND IRRITATIONS ABOUT HIM MAKE YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE A FEW SANDWICHES SHORT OF A PICNIC IF YOU GET MY GRILL, WHAT MR ZUMA HAS DONE IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY ANY OTHER GUY INCLUDING YOU THATS HOW LIFE WORKS, THE POINT ME AND OTHER REASONING PEOPLE ON THIS PLATFORM ARE TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT HE HAS DONE AND ON MATTER WHO HE IS HE SHOULD NOT BE TREATED LIKE THIS FOR THE SIMPLY FACT THAT HE IS A HUMAN BEING AND NO ONE HAS DESPUTED THE WRONG THINGS HE HAS DONE BUT NO HUMAN BEING SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE THIS, GET OFF YOU HIGH STALLION! WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE WHO KNOW WHERE YOU GO STICKING YOUR LITTLE MAN
Again at LindelwaMkhize!!If you will one day and grow up and do irresponsible things,forget being respect by anyone even your kids--they will tell you where to get off.
I repeat,I will never respect a president who sleeps around with no condom at this day and age,all in the name of whatever culture,wake up!!!.I need a president who will walk the talk!!! and he will get full respect from me.AMEN
Again@Tzozoka1, I am fully grown thats why I understand that I am not in a position to crucify Mr Zuma for his past or present mistakes, and him being a president does not make him more or less of a human being, he still does the same things other guys do that human nature, there are so many guys who still sleep around without condoms because they are in a authority position in relationships that why we have clinics and hospitals that are packed to capacity with different people 20 days a month coming to fetch ARV's, and hear me right I am not saying what they are doing is right but it happens because they are human beings, they don't do it in the name of culture, please don't be naive and judgemental, If you disrespect your parents because they have not earned your respect then it's their fault because they haven't taught you right, because in my culture you respect elder regardless, and this does not benefit them but it benefits you in the end.
Again to you Tzozoka1, I am fully grown thats why I understand that I am not in a position to crucify Mr Zuma for his past or present mistakes, and him being a president does not make him more or less of a human being, he still does the same things other guys do that human nature, there are so many guys who still sleep around without condoms because they are in a authority position in relationships that why we have clinics and hospitals that are packed to capacity with different people 20 days a month coming to fetch ARV's, and hear me right I am not saying what they are doing is right but it happens because they are human beings, they don't do it in the name of culture, please don't be naive and judgemental, If you disrespect your parents because they have not earned your respect then it's their fault because they haven't taught you right, because in my culture you respect elder regardless, and this does not benefit them but it benefits you in the end.
Hi
I am really ashamed that we argue about respect, this comes from where you come from and how you were raised. me and other people in this forum were never raised to disrepect elders, if its about his private life there people mistaken that being married for more than wife is for sex, like Thandy assumes. He is a father to someone, as an elder he should be treated like this.
Why, can't we respect other people, ANC go ahead the Constitution need review, it favours certain people of the Republic, Juju, we miss you!!!!!! Peter Mokaba, we miss you. I am starting to believe that CODESA was a waste of time
@THANDY & Gogosboy
Comrades you are sick in and out of your minds for supporting this kind of degrading art work. You must be those kinds of Coconuts who spend time surfing porn on the internet. Your moral ground is too low for a sane human being!! You are disgusting, just because the Commander in Chief is not your Father, your favourate President or your Boyfriend does not mean that he does not deserve to be a human being ....people we are talking about a HEAD OF STATE for heaven sake not just a nobody like thandy and gogosboy!! It does not mean any Wedding is bad just because you are not part of it, that means if you are jealous of Zuma siblings benefiting out of Government tenders just simply tell your father to be the president as well and stop being jealous because you are not part of that benefactor, or otherwise join the ANC as well so that you can be part of the 'big family' or else go to hell and get used to Zuma's siblings driving 2;5 million sports cars and living in 20 million house. Yes they have money they can afford that , what will you do you are powerless and useless. Get used to it or commit suicide so that you cannot see them when they scoop more tenders because their father is the President so what you gonna do,nothing at all!!
@THANDY & Gogosboy
Comrades you are sick in and out of your minds for supporting this kind of degrading art work. You must be those kinds of Coconuts who spend time surfing porn on the internet. Your moral ground is too low for a sane human being!! You are disgusting, just because the Commander in Chief is not your Father, your favourate President or your Boyfriend does not mean that he does not deserve to be a human being ....people we are talking about a HEAD OF STATE for heaven sake not just a nobody like thandy and gogosboy!! It does not mean any Wedding is bad just because you are not part of it, that means if you are jealous of Zuma siblings benefiting out of Government tenders just simply tell your father to be the president as well and stop being jealous because you are not part of that benefactor, or otherwise join the ANC as well so that you can be part of the 'big family' or else go to hell and get used to Zuma's siblings driving 2;5 million sports cars and living in 20 million houses. Yes they have money they can afford that , what will you do you are powerless and useless. Get used to it or commit suicide so that you cannot see them when they scoop more tenders because their father is the President!! so what you gonna do,nothing at all!!
OMG!!! i dont know if i should laugh or cry but yr response shows how little you know about politics , i suggest u read FRANS fANON " THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTH"if or just this (PITTFALLS OF NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESSNESS ) may be you will learn something !
SORRY I MEANT IF YOU ARE A LAZZY READER JUST READ CHAPTER 3 EN U WILL REALIZE THAT OUR COUNTRY HAS BECOME " A CRUDE AND FRAGILE TRAVESTY OF WHAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN"
b 4 im asked where his family fit inn, let me tell u zuma en his family r a brand for this country , how he or they behave reflect on this country, b it good or bad anyone who read my comment with a sober mind can tell that i dont approve of this painting but i understand where the inspiration came from, en i dont have to dissagree wth the painting and defend zuma in the process .
our continent is in the state thats inn because of leaders like him AND family who ignore and abuse those who have no voice and cant stand up for themselves and abuse their power thats given to them by the same masses
im very comfortable THANKS TO MY PARENTS WHO WORKED SO HARD TO TAKE ME TO A GOOD SCHOOL AND UNIIVERSITY SO IM NOT JEALOUS BUT I HATE PEOPLE WHO ABUSE OTHER PEOPLE, WHO HAVE NO MORALS AND BEHAVE LIKE KINGS ,WE ARE NOT SUBJECTS IN THIS COUNTRY BUT CITIZENS. THANKS TO MY PARENTS WHO ALSO TAUGHT ME TO ANALYZE AND MAKE MY OWN OPINION IRRESPECTIVE OF COLOUR OR TRIBE.
TO VIVA
AYANDA HAS BEEN IN MOST RADIO STATIONS DEFENDING HIS PAINTING ENTITLED "BETTER TO B POOR THAN A PUPPET SO ITS NOT ME WHO IS TAKING THINGS LIGHTLY BUT HIM
P.S I WILL NEVER RESPECT A LEADER WHO BEHAVES LIKE ZUMA . SO ITS NOT PERSONAL !
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agg suka! your dad is forever horny mus, anyway I guess this is going to help improve his marketing...how many people has seen his thing, and you never had aproblem with it. this was just a confirmation of what he's all about...this is exactly what he needs so that he can start to behave like a "normal" father. we know he sleeps around anyway so why act as if people out there don't know his private part.
@THANDY & Gogosboy
Comrades you are sick in and out of your minds for supporting this kind of degrading art work. You must be those kinds of Coconuts who spend time surfing porn on the internet. Your moral ground is too low for a sane human being!! You are disgusting, just because the Commander in Chief is not your Father, your favourate President or your Boyfriend does not mean that he does not deserve to be a human being ....people we are talking about a HEAD OF STATE for heaven sake not just a nobody like thandy and gogosboy!! It does not mean any Wedding is bad just because you are not part of it, that means if you are jealous of Zuma siblings benefiting out of Government tenders just simply tell your father to be the president as well and stop being jealous because you are not part of that benefactor, or otherwise join the ANC as well so that you can be part of the 'big family' or else go to hell and get used to Zuma's siblings driving 2;5 million sports cars and living in 20 million houses. Yes they have money they can afford that , what will you do you are powerless and useless. Get used to it or commit suicide so that you cannot see them when they scoop more tenders because their father is the President!! so what you gonna do,nothing at all!!
tjo comrade was with you till that last bit. at which point did u become so brainwashed so as to justify oppulance gianed through (illegally acquired) tenders which belong to the general public? the link you make to being an ANC member and having a tender is unjust and taints what we are about. "they have money, they can afford it" and then? no comrade, educate yourself on the process and how these people got rich before you make such blanket statements.. non the less, the head of state must be shown due respect, always, REGARDLESS!
@LindelwaMkhize--I have to say I am so disappointed that there is someone that will support irresponsible behaviour when you have more than 5 million South Africans already are infected with HIV.All the reasons that you have put to support your points are of very low standards (things like men are in a position of power hence they do such thing) and I start to question the education background involved here, maybe similar to Mr Zuma I guess, very disappointing.
Our nation is dying and you come and tell me its natural (You sound like a woman and I am so disappointed)
Zuma is not the first Black president we have heard; you know what the other two did? They earned the respect from the people they lead, what does Zuma inspires?--go out there and have unprotected sex!!!!SIES the man is stupid--Lastly-FYI-I am married and I never engage in foolish behaviour just because others do!!I will never respect such a stupid person.
Not sure whether it's your reasoning capacity that is a pin size here or you forgot your reading glasses or you are dyslectic, did you not see the part where I say I am not saying sleeping around without a condom is right but it happens, people do things wrong or right whether we agree with it or not, and stop being a chauvinist you know what by saying I sound like a women, your are too naive to understand my points anyways, because like it or not if there weren't men that are in a position of power in relationships, then the health dept.would not be spending millions on campaigns to make young girls aware of sugar daddies, until you are grown enough to understand the different psychological positions our people are in you will never understand why ills in society still happen even though we are trying to fight them, and by the way I am educated both in life and acedamics, and background is very good because I come from a family that taught me never to insult my elders regardless of what they have done.So lastly I am not forMr Zuma sleeping around but I definitely do not agree with silly artist and YOU who ever you real name is stripping him of his right to human dignity no where in the constitution does it say a person must be respected only when they have earned it.lastly your background really speaks volumes if you have a nerve to call a 70 year old man a Stupid, Shame feel sorry for your parents, I am 27 years old and my parents would give me a beating of my life if they even hear by rumour that I called an elder a stupid even if he behave foolishly. PS
@Tzozoka1. You know why they looked respectable in your eyes? Because you respect their education background. You know why I respect president Zuma? Irrespective of what you and other haters say, he has done much more than the intellectuals did. He is accessible, created departments that make it easier for women and children to be catered for. Created a department of veterans so that our veterans could be well looked after. Stopped Americans and Europeans to come with their strong currencies to buy our land as we cannot compete. Guess what your intellectual sold our land piece by piece to foreigners. Go check who owns the Waterfront in Cape Town. What Zuma inspires is that he can take very unpopular decisions on your behalf and you continue to hurl insults at him. You know what? Only Zuma are sure that MK AND SOLAR members in the Defence Force go with full retirement benefits, counting their years of service from exile. ONLY HIM. So before you hurl insults GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
ever so quick to talk about dignity and respect, what about the dignity and respect of the thousands who live in slums and compromise these on a daily. if we could react the same way to the conditions the poor are subject to maybe then we would have different depictions of the president as calls to action would prevail.
if Zuma's daughters acknowledge that their customs are seemingly rejected by the western notions of prestige as represented in the painting then surely they themselves should not be advocates of it...ths is purely my opinion, those girls are very western. you cnt b african only when it suites you. non the less, the painting is desrespectful and compromises the dignity of the president. its distrubing that the artist and his defenders see no shame in the matter.
Geez, I don't the guy and everything he stands for but this is taking it too far! The painting is dispicable and distasteful. Even if you don't like a person you do not disrespect them in this manner, this is someone's father for goodness sake did this so called artist even think of this man's children.
Ag nee! Now some of his many daughters are crying over dignity, culture and respect etc!
C'mon on - a President of a country with 6 spouses and 20 children!There are people starving in Africa, but our Prez and his rather well fed family does not worry.We live in a democracy - not a selective democracy you stupid people! So it is bad to depict the president with his shlong hanging out - but when he behaves in the manner he so well does, no one utters a word about his "cultural behaviour?"There are more than one culture in this country - when you want to progress up the ladder of civilization you need to respect other cultures (freedom of expression and artistic freedom as well)
The daughters should not have selective rage and by the way - it's quite a nice big "straw!
When former president Thabo was removed, there were insults hurled at him - things like he was sleeping with his many female cabinet ministers - and there was no noise about it. Zuma slept with his friends' daughters and I'm sure Mr Artist took that into consideration. Zuma and daughters must just live with it and move on - peiod!!
Point of correction to LindelwaMkhize--when I said you sound like a woman--What I was saying here is that I felt so dissapointed to here a woman promoting such stupid behaviour simply because people do it and it is natural.Another thing, do not feel sorry for my parent they taught me well,YOU EARN RESPECT AND DIGNITY no matter how old you are or whoever you are.I will still continue to call Zuma foolish,stupid and irrespossible for sleeping around with no condoms and making babies all over,our nation is in crisis.where do you even start to fight this pendemic when the so called HEAD is difunctional?
As for your point about men in position of power, yeeer too low.I do not expect that from a 27 year old in 2012.I would have expected to here that from a 60 year old granny back then.Today women stand their ground sister and say things they do not need.Anyway I just hope your education backround does not come from the Universitu of Zumaland somewhere in IKANDLA because you will become 70 and still stucked in a 14 year old mind,just like Shower Man.
Tzozo1 you are hopelessly naive it does not mean if women are standing their ground it applies to all the women in south africa, which rock have you been hiding under, let me tell you somthing South Africa is still going through a transsion and things are haven't changed for all the women in South Africa I am taking this conclusion from what I see happening in my community there are still women who depend on men for their livellyhood and you and I cannot judge them because we do not know their circumstances, there is still a long way to go until women are completely liberated like me and some of my peers and I think I am clever enough to not only understand my liberation as a young women in South Africa but understand that there are still women who are trapped in this cruel situation of gender inequality, you are the foolish one to think that just because you are liberated does not mean that everyone is and that to me is an insult to the fight that is going on to liberate every women in South Africa. By your own theory you also do not deserve respect if you are blond enough to think if there would be a university in INKANDLA it would be of lower quality, because I had an aunt who went to the university of Zululand up until she graduated with her masters in psychology she was a excellent psychologist who was respected in her field, and as for my education background I just want to tell you that I was fortunate enough to go to one of the best university in south africa but I cannot dismiss the hardships my fellow south africans are going through and think that everything is rosy just because things are rosy for me and I had the opportunities are young and old people only dream of.
South Africa is going through turbulences and quite a lot of bad things are happing in the very country we once envisaged to be a healing ground for the disgruntled. South Africa will never be the same again. It is not President Zuma who has caused problems in this country. Problems have always been there since the beginning of history of this world back in Eden. We are a laughing stock in other countries. There is a common trend now in South Africa. People gossip in their boardrooms and dens about matters related racism, corruption, unemployment, third world and so on. Why can't people find a better for discussing these issues. Well this country will never be the kind of Canaan we have once dreamed of. But I have good news to those caring South Africans. This country needs you to pamper it with beautiful colours so that it can be attractive to the onlookers. The painting that seems to get South Africa talking is obviously not the right way of expressing one's innermost feelings. We all have feelings but there is always a better platform of dealing with things, instead of insulting ones dignity and character. Black people don't know anything about the interpretation of painting, probably one might say. However, the very painting in question is nothing else but a blatant insult to a father, the son of the African soil and the president of this country. It is obvious from the painting itself that there are unresolved battles in South Africa. Probably I lack the understanding of morality here. Maybe the western and African way of defining morality is not the same thing. I am not defending utata u Zuma (who happens to be a senior citizen of this country) but one should know exactly what the freedom of speech entails. I have a proposal for those who disagree with me, dare to paint a picture of naked Queen Elizabeth. You'd be hunted by thousands of snipers before finishing the painting itself. So South African let us go back to where we first started. Ubuntu, respect, love and peace!
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@LindelwaMkhize
Totally agree with you mageu#8zola, except the Juju part, but either than that you are totally right.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------i've read all your comments, fair and morally right. But this particular one that i've cut and pasted above makes me think otherwise. You've written very fair justifications about the president's flaws and reasonably so, you are right. but why do you judge Juju, is it because he's no longer friends with your president?
Hi there RAdioKillah, I was not judging Juju, but I just don't agree with his disrespect for our elders, you maybe in politics or business but at the end of the day you have to have respect for your fellow humanbeings even if they don't respect themselves.
@LindelwaMkhize; @mageu#8zola; @lazo good points guys.
I personally do not like Zuma but as an elder and a father I respect him. The picture is distasteful and sickening to say the least.
Eish! Gugu is whining about the straw which broke the camel's back - is she rerering to El'prez's straw?
Nuthing to be shy about that there straw!
I do however agree - he is a father and a husband and should be treated with dignity!
It is about time that we deal with these people in a proper way. For years we are forgiving, enough is enough. This so called artist is not artist, real artist think positive. Any protest or march against this exhibition I promise to take part. If I was a child of the President would start a serious protest outside this evil gallery. I blame the whole management they are dirty people.
the mere fact that you associate the painting with racism creates tensions... now would it have made any difference if the man in the painting was painted white?
the constitution that we fought for allows and protects the right to freedom of expression...now if the painting is to be removed would that not be destroying the very constitution the we love and protect?
is it wrong for an artist to have a creative imagination that is not limited? sometime we have to laugh at our selves in relation to how other people see(picture) us and not always expect to be seen in a good picture.
a lot of comedians (black&white) had made nasty,rude and disgraceful comments about the president did we say they are racist/disrespectful of our country and president or did we just laugh it off?
why can't we just laugh this off and continue to build a south Africa in which blacks and whites do not tolerate one another but really love and live in peace without raising the race card every time one of us makes a mistake.
jeeeer it did took you dumb daughters of SA's number 1 pervert a friggin long time to be offended by your dad's rattling snake? remember that he is alleged to have violated a woman (guest daughter of his dead exile mates) in a room next to that of his daughter? as if that was not bad enough his daughter had to go to court testify on his r@pe case, I am not saying the pic is right or wrong, in fact I don't give a fig abt it, cause it matter not in the big scheme of our social issues.
Amazed
In this case the government must Follow Mugabe way OF DOING THINGS Just send police or SANDF tO REMOVE IT AND THEN THEY CAN FOLLOW LEGAL PROCESS WHILE IT IS REMOVED. iT IS JUST NOT RIGHT
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I suggest you speak with Tatane family before you ask that the state use security forces to enforce their will above us, and Tatane is just one of the many of you that will follow if you don't tow the line like nice sheep marching obediently into slaughter.
@somaartakeit. I like it when idiots start running around and touch this and that, Tatane family neh! I suppose in your eyes president Zuma lead the attack on Tatane and killed him. Who is that staying abroad and ashamed of being lead by a man who just make babies and marry. Haaahaaahaaaa! You would be funny if you were not so pathetic. Ashamed because you are worried what your white hosts could be thinking of you? Look sweetheart, we do our business as we see fit just like everyone Sprague/her business. We ask no approval from no one. And as for you save your embarassment and concentrate on being a second class citizen of whatever country you are in.
Disrespect of South Africa as a whole not for the Zuma's family or him as a President of Mzanzi yhe gallery must be close for good coz even if they can apologized it wont mean anythin coz the download of the picture is already all over the world as we speak.as the citizen of Mzanzi we must know our boundary and show respect to our President.
@RAdioKILLAH
hello;
@LindelwaMkhize
Totally agree with you mageu#8zola, except the Juju part, but either than that you are totally right.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------i've read all your comments, fair and morally right. But this particular one that i've cut and pasted above makes me think otherwise. You've written very fair justifications about the president's flaws and reasonably so, you are right. but why do you judge Juju, is it because he's no longer friends with your president?
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It should always be remember that Malema (aka Juju) was zuma's brainchild, so I agree with you RadioK!llah, you can't judge the one and not the other. On jujuzuma circus freakshow, I will not allow myself to be dragged into it, cause both deserve each other fully, but I think zuma is even a bigger clown, at least Malema has still time to mend his ways/actions, but what examples does zuma give to the rest of the citizens?
@GumaniGumani_Jr.
Disrespect of South Africa as a whole not for the Zuma's family or him as a President of Mzanzi
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Just for your information, my family (SAn) is not represented by zuma so its impossible to disrespect my family cause we don't share same values as zuma, zuma is just a SAn sick joke, and sooner most of you will realise this, but for now you may blissfully wallow in the pool of ignorance.
@somaartakeit. You know the joke is actually on you because whether you like it or not we are going to Mangaung with only one objective in our minds, "Second Term for Nxamalala". Hate him all you like, he ha done much more for the country than you'd ever want to admit.
@ Forch the joke is actually on the majority who are poor whose aspirations will never be realised cause guys like you fail to elect competent leaders to effect their economic social issues of the nation, and the tragedy of it all, SA as a economic power house of Africa shld have massive influence, but alas we don't have cause we are being led by a vision-less tr!balist.
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since you chose to make this to be about me and not a national issues, let me brief you on me (social standing) whether the anc incompetent regime delivers yes or no, it has little to no effect on me, cause I can use my financial muscle to effect mine and my family lives, I cld chose to watch the rest of you drop dead like flies, or I cld do my civil duty to demand leaders who hold to heart interest of the country and by extension nation,
@somaartakeit. That's the thing about you people who have two cents extra than others, you think it can buy the way the rest of us think. We do not know you and from what you articulate we can tell that you are either white or you have served white masters. Let's tell you about the ANC, We know it and we know that it liberated us. On the other hand I feel that you are pained by the role it played, shame you will have to be strong.
Before you judge people because of your half cent, you have no clue who you say is ignorant. ANC is not for the idiots and the ignorant as you purports. Some of us have travelled the world extensively more that you can ever dream of considering that you dangle your two cents so much. So you see, never think you are talking to someone living in squatter camp because we defend the dignity of a black man. Those squatter camps are indoors by your masters as they jailed people for daring to come and live in Towns and cities.
Lastly you blabber about South Africas influential role, it is the gateway to Africa despite what haters like you say. It was specifically invited to be a member of organisations like IBSA and BRICS. It is invited in most African countries to resolve conflicts and bandla it does. So please your hatred does not necessarily change how things happen because you wish them to be otherwise.
So Forch you should feel lucky that there are still well off ppl such as myself, who pay attention to your back street politics which will in the end result in most of you being refugees like the ones who are now being chucked out from Israel, cause like you, they stupidly chose stupid leaders to lead them into the mor@ss, just like sewer rats without any standards, have little to no expectations of duties of leaders to the people, either than them treating the lot of you as petty slaves, then drive over you with their expensive armoured vehicles flanked by violent goons amidst of the drunken stupor , such as the case in the Zu.lu situation, I said you lot should have a long chat with T@tane's widow anc's very own H#ctor Pie.terson.
Your insults don't bother me much as I expect the enemy to continue with its distractive ways. But here I just want to give you a free lesson on SA politics, Hector Peterson had nothing to do with ANC, he was a young boy killed by your masters or uncles while peacefully marching against the use of Afrikaans language medium of teaching.
@Forch
@somaartakeit. "I suppose in your eyes president Zuma lead the attack on Tatane and killed him" the security forces of his regime murdered T@tane in the same gruesome and horrific way and for same reasons that Malan's regime viciously murdered Hector Piet.erson, but don't take my word for it, keep bleating after him just like a good sheep you are!
"Who is that staying abroad and ashamed of being lead by a man who just make babies and marry" I suggest you speak in your native language cause you are not making sense.
' Ashamed because HE IS A PERVERT running amok in a country riddled with aids, thus giving bad examples for uneducated sheep idolising him, even one of ministers who has about same amount of kids iwth different partners just dies of aids, shiceka?
"you are worried what your white hosts could be thinking of you?" Unlike you and the anc, my views are not influenced by white liberals who are holding hand of your incompetent leaders cause they want them addicted to being mere b@@sboys/girls in Mercedes Benz whilst they are looting countries resources and only affording you peasants peanuts
"We ask no approval from no one" LoL like in outstanding land reform cause your b@@s Hannekom didn't think it was priority? you anc are a sad joke to the struggle liberation.
"And as for you save your embarassment and concentrate on being a second class citizen of whatever country you are in" Second class citizens? I pick and chose where to live whilst the likes of you have to wrestle over an RDP house falling to pieces, and I have best doctors looking after my health just amongst other luxuries I am able to enjoy as a "second class citizen" something which is for most of you esp anc vote fodders haven't got, so who is second or last class citizens of the world?
and btw Forch it wld seem to me that the likes of you learnt nothing from Malema Vavi saga? who were willing to die for Zuma? and once Zuma no longer needed them to carry him on their shoulders he dumps them and get new set of slaves in you and Gigaba and the lot, you lot are insufferable, really let me see what is the slogan gonna be this time from Zuma's foot soldiers? "I will die for Zuma's prick"? you bunch of sad, sad back street tosser deserve Zuma and all that's coming, like Malema Vavi are now receiving their come comeuppance!!!
And my wish to you is that uZuma akugovoze with his spear in your mouth!!!
say the painting seeks to take away their father's "dignity and destroy his true character and stature as a man, a father, a leader of the ANC and South African society at large".
He destroyed his own dignity and true character long ago by the many terrible things he has done including rape, corruption and fraud.
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SebolaNtimetseAdikateMoketla
The picture isnt Zuma, but a mere paintinga person who draws genituls has genituls in the brain and is only putting whats in the thought
i have though of sleeping with some girl but for morals i havent does that mean i slept with them?
the picture is racis.m of the last degree and goes for hatred of all Blacks
anger at being defeated in 1994
yes, we can see your anger
YOU ARE FEELING THE HEAT
AND WE ARE HERE TO STAY!!!
live with it!!!
greg.smith1
Zuma is portrayed as a BIG PRICK not an animalJUJU-Junia
the mere fact that you associate the painting with racism creates tensions... now would it have made any difference if the man in the painting was painted white?the constitution that we fought for allows and protects the right to freedom of expression...now if the painting is to be removed would that not be destroying the very constitution the we love and protect?
is it wrong for an artist to have a creative imagination that is not limited? sometime we have to laugh at our selves in relation to how other people see(picture) us and not always expect to be seen in a good picture.
a lot of comedians (black&white) had made nasty,rude and disgraceful comments about the president did we say they are racist/disrespectful of our country and president or did we just laugh it off?
why can't we just laugh this off and continue to build a south Africa in which blacks and whites do not tolerate one another but really love and live in peace without raising the race card every time one of us makes a mistake.
AndrewManzini
so u do conceide thepainting is a mistake!?!SebolaNtimetseAdikateMoketla
to the beautiful daughter I sayTHANKS FOR LEADING BY EXAMPLE
in showing how daughters should stand by their fathers
the Masholozi is going to bless you one day and that is a family matter and his job as a father
HE WILL LAY HIS HANDS ON YOUR FOREHEAD:
"My daughter, I bless you
blah blah blah... (in his deep zoeloe language)
Amazed
In this case the government must Follow Mugabe way OF DOING THINGS Just send police or SANDF tO REMOVE IT AND THEN THEY CAN FOLLOW LEGAL PROCESS WHILE IT IS REMOVED. iT IS JUST NOT RIGHTTHANDY
The painting is for your ignorant father so leave black people in general out of it , i think de painting is distasteful but leave us out of it , FOR ME IS "SIES" to de zumas wth their entitlement mentality, en yr KHULUBUSE " SIES TO HIM FOR EXPLOITING DE POOR MINERS" SO GET OVER YOURSELVES !!!!!!LindelwaMkhize
Sies to you Thandy, this is not about being entitled, no matter what the Zuma's do behind closed doors no person deserves to be displayed in such a distasteful manner, you must truly be sick to even agree with this painting whether you are black or white, you must really be ignorant to not see what is wrong about this painting, I don't agree with alot of the things the Zuma's are all about but displaying Mr Zuma in such a manner is sick.THANDY
U OBVIOUSLY DONT READ PROPERLY, DES NO WHERE IN MY COMMENT WHERE I AGREE WITH DE PAINTING I SAID , " DE PAINTING IS DISTASTEFUL" SO B 4 U STARTS SPEWING BILE ON ME READ WITH YR BRAIN NOT YR EMMOTIONS.DeeAnn
Thandy charity begins at home, clearly you were not brought up well, if you were brought up in a family that has values and morals you'd clearly see that this is a degrading, disrespectful, pathetic art. No matter what he did, he is still an elder, leader of S.A etc. Hating the guy doesn't give anyone the right to degrade him like that. Sies on you. I feel sorry for your kids because they'll be brought up with no morals or respect for elders.mnxa!DeeAnn
this painting has nothing to do with the poor miners, its about his personal business that he does behind closed doors which I must add MIGHT be less than what YOU do behind closed doors so don't judge and yes some of us are appalled by this so no don't leave us out of it only you cause some of us share the same sentiments as this woman's.LindelwaMkhize
You obiviously got your own little mind twisted by all of this maybe this was all too much for your little brain to comment about, because if you understood the serverity of this whole matter you wouldn't be saying the Zuma's have an entitled mentality, and if you had the intellectual capacity to understand why I felt you were not against the painting you would have understood why you were for the painting, because you are contradicting yourself by saying the painting is distasteful, but then you turn around and say "the painting is for your ignorant father." and "to the zumas with their entitlement mentality" this actually overrides you thinking the painting is distasteful and makes it seem you see Zuma in the same light as the artist who actually painted the stupid painting in the first place, so please decide what the topic is about before you let your little finger go crazy with the keyboard and start accusing people of not reading right and spitting bile on you, the topic is not about what the Zuma's are all about, but that this particular picture is down right disrespectful. PSDeeAnn
I fully agree with you Lindelwa abanye abantu abakhuliswanga kahle.....LindelwaMkhize
You go Dee-ann! Umuntu omdala umuntu omundala, ngeke uhamba umhlambalaza kanje.THANDY
MINE GIKHULSWE NGAZI UKUTHI INDLELA OZIPHATHA NGAYO EMPHAKATHINI, INDLELA ABANTU AZOKUBONA NAGAYO, YINGAKHO NJE KUBALULEKILE UKUTHI UZIHLONIPHE UKUZE NABANYE ABANTU BAKUHLONIPHE.LindelwaMkhize
BS man Thandy, you know that is a load of rice pudding, if ubaba wakho eyisidakwa esaziwayo emphakathini Kuchaza ukuthi winina kini nomphakathi ophila kuwona kumele ningamu hloniphi njengomtomdala, cha shame kusho ukuthi uqhamuka ekhaya nasemphakathini ongenabuntu, mina ngikhuliswe ngaze ukuthi umuntu omdala oyahlonishwa regardless and even the good book says so, "Hlonipha uyihlo nonyko ukuze izinsuku zakho zande ezweni" akuho lakuthi muhloniphe uma ezihlonipha kuphela.THANDY
yes they have entitlement syndrome , khulubuse didnt pay the poor miners who worked their ass off for their salaries, Edward didnt pay the event company that organized his wedding ,he didnt event return the ring that they borrowed him, WHY? mantuli didnt pay her helper, and also spent 30 000 of the NGO's money on herself WHY? EVERY SOUTH AFRICAN KNOWS THAT IF U USE A SERVICE OF ANY KIND U MUST PAY FOR IT . THEY SEEM TO EXPECT THINGS FOR FREE, maybe in yr own little mind u also think they deserve things forfreeLindelwaMkhize
Shame Thandy umqodo wakho uhlangahlangene, what does this issue ya Khulubuse have to do with the issue at hand, no one has disputed that what Khulubuse and Madiba's grandson did is wrong in so many ways, but what I don't get is can't you understand that we are dealing with this artist stripping Zuma's dignity to shreds here and not what the Zuma clan is doing in business or politics, let me rephrase this to you as if speaking to a two year old, WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT THE STUPID ARTIST WHO IS UNCURTH ENOUGH TO DRAW A PICTURE OF AN ELDER'S GENITALS AND DISPLAY IT PUBLICLY,everyone in South Africa has a right to dignity even you "Thandy" and no one should be disgraced in that manner be you a politician, crude business man, a drunk, pastor , unruly teenager even a serial rapists, you have never seen any artist drawing the genitals of any serial rapist in this country even the most notorious, because they have rights, but then what gives this idiot a right to insult Zuma.KMALEKA
THANY, THANDY THANY............. A NAA NTATAAGO O NE SEBELETSA KHULUBUSE IF YOU HATE HIM SO MUCH, YOU SOUND TOO PERSONAL ON THE ISSUE AS IF GA O NA NTATE SIS!DeeAnn
Shame guys, Thandy is a jealous lonely soul, she wishes she was Khulubuse. Shame sisi get your facts straight and start respecting your elders nawe one day you'll be blessed with money ok?EsosQue'to
Exactly, I just imagine my life with a father who has history with especially people old enough to be his kids, imagine myself at it undressing for a child half my age, thence go around the world preaching safe sex when i cant.... Cant wrong be spelt wrong without defending and hiding it? If you start a trend i think you should be able to keep with its outcomes!!!!Forch
You know hatred is such an ugly disease and it feeds with the one who harbours it. Legitimise was the partner of Mandela's nephew , but because for some reason that you guys hate the president so much so that you can't even remember that he was not alone. In your hearts the president is such an enemy you can't even see beyond your hatred. Even his children deserve to be insulted. What makes you think he's ignorant? South Africans, I wish you knew what you obviously so ignorant about.SiphoNotshokovu
You clearly have personal issues,so rather deal with them before you come out and talk rubbish.SiphoNotshokovu
I was actually refering to Thandy.sazi.matshoba
If charity began at home then our president would have thought of his family first before doing things that will come negetively towards him and family. to him it's just a political plot but for his family it's a disgress as much they are saying disrespectful amongst themselves they know that their father in his own doing is creating this tention, we must know that the mother of the said daughter is divorced to msholozi " I wonder why " and we must be aware that the painter was his peer.LindelwaMkhize
This is rasism at it's best, I may not agree with alot of things our president does but I still respect him as an elder person, father and as a human being, this artist was surely raised by animals because no self respecting person would would even think od an elderly persons genitals let alone paint it to be displayed in a public place, the one thing I love about being black is we are thought respect and I wouldn't even dare look at the privates of a well known drunk in our area even if he gets so drunk as to display them himself.This artist has truly striped Mr Zuma of his dignity and no human being deserves to be treated like this no matter what wrong things he has done in the past .Stop this idiot before he makes us all look like idiots, this is not about freedom of speech nor about political differences, this is disrespect
Gogosboy
Zuma must learn to zip up that the message in Picture. Vala ziphu ngete sewudzelelwe wakitsiDeeAnn
Gogosboy is your zip or dad's or brother's zip always zipped up? come on dude you sound patheticLindelwaMkhize
As for you gogosboy and your hypocritical comment comes to show you are a real gogosboy and your gogo has been doing all the thinking for you and now that it's time for you to read a real topic and reponds, you can't think of anything clever to say, I do not support our president sleeping with many women, but how many old men go around night after night buying sex from protitutes, thats why the industry is still booming, why don't you post a comment telling them to zip up.the issue at hand is not about the president sleeping around it's about this stupid artist who does not seem to have a creative streak degrading the president a human being.Njenjecoach
@ Lindelwa you don't have to be emotional sisi. its Zuma the men we talking about here, he's going to disappoint you. People like Zuma needs to hear and see their true reflection from other people's eyes. we don't need to drag other people into these convesation but lets keep our focus on the men on the picture.RaoN
@Godosboy and Njenjecoach you really dont have respect for elders, how dare you support such a disrespectful and resists kind of a photo. Like any man, our president does what other man like you do. Surely your father cheated on your mother, do you think it would good for him to be exposed in such a manner?Forch
I wonder how old are you to talk to an adult like that. Even that child you claim its a child half his age is a grown up woman in her late 30's or early 40's. You all speak like he molested a teenager. Whether you like it or not none of these women cry foul about marrying him. Whether I redicule him or not IT IS AFRICAN CULTURE! He did not invent it, it has been practised for donkey years. Some of you have as many women UNKNOWN and you act as if you are angels SHAME ON YOU!Forch
@Njenjecoach. You know you are just unbelievable. So because its Zuma he doesn't deserve human dignity and have no rights at all? What kind of people are you? You know if something happened to some RACIST, you'd defend him like your life depended on it just like that ......of a security guard who was prepared to .... that black HERO and disregarded that white man who actually was the one who started to deface the stupid painting. So you see there are many of you.Smart=Cat
Even if he needs to zip up as u say.....he deserves respect as a father,a husband and a PRESIDEND of SA,...........we were raised to repect eldersMakotofa
I think they should stop speaking for all south africans or all blacks, it's ok for him to humiliate himself but not for others. Yes the pic was below the belt but he had it coming. more insults are still coming on road to Mangaung Baba! Suck it Up kids!>>>!ThembiWalter
I think you right they should stop speaking for all southafrican as a south african living abroad its a shame to have a President like Jacob Zuma his daughters will fight for him yes but the guy has no morals at all he is a rapist and a rapist should be treated like that let the world see the weapon he has to have kids and wives for people to support their lavish lifestyle whilst poor BLACK people are suffering .... I wish I was in South africa I Would greatly be at mangaung to see this prick go down.ProgressiveAfricanDemocrat
ag, shame!Tzozoka1
A leader earns respect due to the things that he does while holding the highest office in our land. What is actually distasteful about the painting? What has this Jacob Zuma done to earn respect? nothing!!! Zuma has called this to himself and that’s the expression of what the artist seen on him—someone who just can’t keep his thing in his pants!!!Finish and klaar—I see no racism on this, the fact is Zuma is the most immoral, criminal, dictator and stupid president South Africa has ever seen.THANDY
OUCH !!!LindelwaMkhize
Tzozoka1, the only stupid thing here is you and your stupid comments which you should have kept to your stupid self, maybe you live in the srburbs, but let me tellyoui something, most of the men in our communities act much foolishly than the president, but we do not go around painting their dirty laundry for the world to see you are such a fool, if your father goes around doing stupid things does that mean he shouldn't be respected as a human being and your father, then you must come from a twisted family if your parents thought you to only respect adults if they earn your respect.PSDeeAnn
And you are the most dumbest of all Tzozoka.....we are talking about degrading a human being here.RaoN
@Tzozoka1 and Thandy I wonder which planet you come from, I've never seen such stuping people in my life. Thandy how many guyz you've dated in your life? Maybe I should guyz you slept with? Tzozoka1 I guess respect in not in your world, or should say you eat too much kak now it's coming out your mouth.ThembiWalter
Dee Ann wake up and smell the coffee Zuma deserve to be degreated it been a long time coming all his does is make babies and marrying instead of bringing exports deasl to South Africa .... no wonder he is so dumb he never had any education anyway ... he is worse more stupid than his friend MogabeForch
@ThembiWalter&Tzozoka The former, go to school you have a chance and stop writing twaak . You know you have a chance president Zuma never had an opportunity. But do you know what is amazing about him? Is that he has achieved what you can only dream of. To the latter, he fought for the freedom you now enjoy disregarding that other people suffered for it and others lost their lives. You could have been impimpi and an agent. Chances are, during the struggle, you did not even pick up even one stone let alone throwing one.MuziJoe
Who do u think u r wena lindelwa to teacch pple about respsct , respect is two way u have to give it to earn it. Js wondering why ukwatile, u mean lomshini ka pres ungaka vele..............uwaz kanjan lomlungu and u cause ukhuluma ngathi uwubonile................bhek'indaba zakho lindelwa or let da pres inTHANDY
Public offiice comes with pros en cons , u cant b selective and only accept de positives, yes de painting was too below de belt for me but the question is What inspired Murray Brett to make the potrait? Ayanda Mabulu once drew Zuma with de genitals out, but de was never this uproar , why ? Is because it was a black person? I DIDNT LIKE MURRAYS PAINTING BUT I DID LIKE ZAPIROS ON SUNDAY TIMES YESTERDAY. ZUMA MUST START BEHAVING LIKE A LEADER NOT LIKE SOME HORNY LUNATIC !viva
Your story or your questions are not relavent. Ayanda is black let us not forget the recent history of this country. You are taking this too light.LindelwaMkhize
At the end of the day it's not about him being in public office, the fundemental issue here is that our brains think like politicians and not as black human beings, because if we go back to our roots of ubuntu then we will know that our elders are to be respected regardless of what they do, and we are just as bad as them if we are going to disrespect them like this, basically singabantu ekupheleni kosuku and sizokhula singabinasimilo if sazi ukuthi umtomdala uyadelelwa uma kunesizathu because asikho siszatho sokudelela umunutu omdala ngisho kungathiwa ukwi - Public Office and wenza izinto ezingathandeki.Tzozoka1
@LindelwaMkhize--My comments are very clear and into the point, I will repeat them for your benefit- You hold public office, you need to earn the respect from the people you lead, has Zuma done that?according to me no and I have my reasons that are facts known to everyone.1.This is the guys people know as SHOWER MAN/CAP--no need to explain why?
2.How many kids he sired out there? I lost count should I respect such a guy? I mean really no ways.
3.You cannot force me to respect such a lunatic just in the name of culture ---hayikhona!!!
4.Does he lead by example on cubing the spread of HIV in our country? No he does the opposite, he promotes sleeping around with no protection at all. SIES!!!
LindelwaMkhize
Hi there Tzozoka1, I can't understand how you can try repeat your invalid points to me they are definitely not going to benefit me, they are too below my intellectual capacity, and anyways your "points sound like they come from a robot whose only understanding of human life has been the info programmed on it, QUIET FRANKLY I DON'T GIVE A EYE BALL ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK OF MR ZUMA AND WHAT HE HAS DONE IN THE PAST, ALL YOUR POINTS AND IRRITATIONS ABOUT HIM MAKE YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE A FEW SANDWICHES SHORT OF A PICNIC IF YOU GET MY GRILL, WHAT MR ZUMA HAS DONE IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE IT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE BY ANY OTHER GUY INCLUDING YOU THATS HOW LIFE WORKS, THE POINT ME AND OTHER REASONING PEOPLE ON THIS PLATFORM ARE TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT HE HAS DONE AND ON MATTER WHO HE IS HE SHOULD NOT BE TREATED LIKE THIS FOR THE SIMPLY FACT THAT HE IS A HUMAN BEING AND NO ONE HAS DESPUTED THE WRONG THINGS HE HAS DONE BUT NO HUMAN BEING SHOULD BE TREATED LIKE THIS, GET OFF YOU HIGH STALLION! WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE WHO KNOW WHERE YOU GO STICKING YOUR LITTLE MANTzozoka1
Again at LindelwaMkhize!!If you will one day and grow up and do irresponsible things,forget being respect by anyone even your kids--they will tell you where to get off.I repeat,I will never respect a president who sleeps around with no condom at this day and age,all in the name of whatever culture,wake up!!!.I need a president who will walk the talk!!! and he will get full respect from me.AMEN
LindelwaMkhize
Again@Tzozoka1, I am fully grown thats why I understand that I am not in a position to crucify Mr Zuma for his past or present mistakes, and him being a president does not make him more or less of a human being, he still does the same things other guys do that human nature, there are so many guys who still sleep around without condoms because they are in a authority position in relationships that why we have clinics and hospitals that are packed to capacity with different people 20 days a month coming to fetch ARV's, and hear me right I am not saying what they are doing is right but it happens because they are human beings, they don't do it in the name of culture, please don't be naive and judgemental, If you disrespect your parents because they have not earned your respect then it's their fault because they haven't taught you right, because in my culture you respect elder regardless, and this does not benefit them but it benefits you in the end.LindelwaMkhize
Again to you Tzozoka1, I am fully grown thats why I understand that I am not in a position to crucify Mr Zuma for his past or present mistakes, and him being a president does not make him more or less of a human being, he still does the same things other guys do that human nature, there are so many guys who still sleep around without condoms because they are in a authority position in relationships that why we have clinics and hospitals that are packed to capacity with different people 20 days a month coming to fetch ARV's, and hear me right I am not saying what they are doing is right but it happens because they are human beings, they don't do it in the name of culture, please don't be naive and judgemental, If you disrespect your parents because they have not earned your respect then it's their fault because they haven't taught you right, because in my culture you respect elder regardless, and this does not benefit them but it benefits you in the end.mageu#8zola
HiI am really ashamed that we argue about respect, this comes from where you come from and how you were raised. me and other people in this forum were never raised to disrepect elders, if its about his private life there people mistaken that being married for more than wife is for sex, like Thandy assumes. He is a father to someone, as an elder he should be treated like this.
Why, can't we respect other people, ANC go ahead the Constitution need review, it favours certain people of the Republic, Juju, we miss you!!!!!! Peter Mokaba, we miss you. I am starting to believe that CODESA was a waste of time
LindelwaMkhize
Totally agree with you mageu#8zola, except the Juju part, but either than that you are totally right.Thomza
Hhayi cha nami ngifisa engathi kungasebenza umthetho kaMgabe njengaseZimbanwe ke manje ngoba bafuna ukususa udushe manje basatotoswa, bayacelwa, bayancengwa ukuthi abasisuse lesithome kodwa cha lutho bathi ifreedom of speech (freedom of speech my foot)ngizizwa ngicasukile. lokhu kukhombisa ukuqhubeka nokuthunaza umuntu omnyama ukuthi angisiyena omunye weqembu lika President Zuma akunginiki igunya lokuthi ngimehlisa isithunzi kanje, ngoba unguMongameli wezwe lethu bethanda bengathandi.Nincompoop
YOUR DAD IS A STALLION LADY. HE WORKS WOMEN.Njenjecoach
on pointForch
@Nincompoop. Shame your username is so prophetic of who you seem to be.7000000
@THANDY & GogosboyComrades you are sick in and out of your minds for supporting this kind of degrading art work. You must be those kinds of Coconuts who spend time surfing porn on the internet. Your moral ground is too low for a sane human being!! You are disgusting, just because the Commander in Chief is not your Father, your favourate President or your Boyfriend does not mean that he does not deserve to be a human being ....people we are talking about a HEAD OF STATE for heaven sake not just a nobody like thandy and gogosboy!! It does not mean any Wedding is bad just because you are not part of it, that means if you are jealous of Zuma siblings benefiting out of Government tenders just simply tell your father to be the president as well and stop being jealous because you are not part of that benefactor, or otherwise join the ANC as well so that you can be part of the 'big family' or else go to hell and get used to Zuma's siblings driving 2;5 million sports cars and living in 20 million house. Yes they have money they can afford that , what will you do you are powerless and useless. Get used to it or commit suicide so that you cannot see them when they scoop more tenders because their father is the President so what you gonna do,nothing at all!!
7000000
@THANDY & GogosboyComrades you are sick in and out of your minds for supporting this kind of degrading art work. You must be those kinds of Coconuts who spend time surfing porn on the internet. Your moral ground is too low for a sane human being!! You are disgusting, just because the Commander in Chief is not your Father, your favourate President or your Boyfriend does not mean that he does not deserve to be a human being ....people we are talking about a HEAD OF STATE for heaven sake not just a nobody like thandy and gogosboy!! It does not mean any Wedding is bad just because you are not part of it, that means if you are jealous of Zuma siblings benefiting out of Government tenders just simply tell your father to be the president as well and stop being jealous because you are not part of that benefactor, or otherwise join the ANC as well so that you can be part of the 'big family' or else go to hell and get used to Zuma's siblings driving 2;5 million sports cars and living in 20 million houses. Yes they have money they can afford that , what will you do you are powerless and useless. Get used to it or commit suicide so that you cannot see them when they scoop more tenders because their father is the President!! so what you gonna do,nothing at all!!
THANDY
OMG!!! i dont know if i should laugh or cry but yr response shows how little you know about politics , i suggest u read FRANS fANON " THE WRETCHED OF THE EARTH"if or just this (PITTFALLS OF NATIONAL CONSCIOUSNESSNESS ) may be you will learn something !THANDY
SORRY I MEANT IF YOU ARE A LAZZY READER JUST READ CHAPTER 3 EN U WILL REALIZE THAT OUR COUNTRY HAS BECOME " A CRUDE AND FRAGILE TRAVESTY OF WHAT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN"THANDY
b 4 im asked where his family fit inn, let me tell u zuma en his family r a brand for this country , how he or they behave reflect on this country, b it good or bad anyone who read my comment with a sober mind can tell that i dont approve of this painting but i understand where the inspiration came from, en i dont have to dissagree wth the painting and defend zuma in the process .our continent is in the state thats inn because of leaders like him AND family who ignore and abuse those who have no voice and cant stand up for themselves and abuse their power thats given to them by the same masses
im very comfortable THANKS TO MY PARENTS WHO WORKED SO HARD TO TAKE ME TO A GOOD SCHOOL AND UNIIVERSITY SO IM NOT JEALOUS BUT I HATE PEOPLE WHO ABUSE OTHER PEOPLE, WHO HAVE NO MORALS AND BEHAVE LIKE KINGS ,WE ARE NOT SUBJECTS IN THIS COUNTRY BUT CITIZENS. THANKS TO MY PARENTS WHO ALSO TAUGHT ME TO ANALYZE AND MAKE MY OWN OPINION IRRESPECTIVE OF COLOUR OR TRIBE.
TO VIVA
AYANDA HAS BEEN IN MOST RADIO STATIONS DEFENDING HIS PAINTING ENTITLED "BETTER TO B POOR THAN A PUPPET SO ITS NOT ME WHO IS TAKING THINGS LIGHTLY BUT HIM
P.S I WILL NEVER RESPECT A LEADER WHO BEHAVES LIKE ZUMA . SO ITS NOT PERSONAL !
PS
Njenjecoach
agg suka! your dad is forever horny mus, anyway I guess this is going to help improve his marketing...how many people has seen his thing, and you never had aproblem with it. this was just a confirmation of what he's all about...this is exactly what he needs so that he can start to behave like a "normal" father. we know he sleeps around anyway so why act as if people out there don't know his private part.7000000
@THANDY & GogosboyComrades you are sick in and out of your minds for supporting this kind of degrading art work. You must be those kinds of Coconuts who spend time surfing porn on the internet. Your moral ground is too low for a sane human being!! You are disgusting, just because the Commander in Chief is not your Father, your favourate President or your Boyfriend does not mean that he does not deserve to be a human being ....people we are talking about a HEAD OF STATE for heaven sake not just a nobody like thandy and gogosboy!! It does not mean any Wedding is bad just because you are not part of it, that means if you are jealous of Zuma siblings benefiting out of Government tenders just simply tell your father to be the president as well and stop being jealous because you are not part of that benefactor, or otherwise join the ANC as well so that you can be part of the 'big family' or else go to hell and get used to Zuma's siblings driving 2;5 million sports cars and living in 20 million houses. Yes they have money they can afford that , what will you do you are powerless and useless. Get used to it or commit suicide so that you cannot see them when they scoop more tenders because their father is the President!! so what you gonna do,nothing at all!!
Mele
tjo comrade was with you till that last bit. at which point did u become so brainwashed so as to justify oppulance gianed through (illegally acquired) tenders which belong to the general public? the link you make to being an ANC member and having a tender is unjust and taints what we are about. "they have money, they can afford it" and then? no comrade, educate yourself on the process and how these people got rich before you make such blanket statements.. non the less, the head of state must be shown due respect, always, REGARDLESS!Tzozoka1
@LindelwaMkhize--I have to say I am so disappointed that there is someone that will support irresponsible behaviour when you have more than 5 million South Africans already are infected with HIV.All the reasons that you have put to support your points are of very low standards (things like men are in a position of power hence they do such thing) and I start to question the education background involved here, maybe similar to Mr Zuma I guess, very disappointing.Our nation is dying and you come and tell me its natural (You sound like a woman and I am so disappointed)
Zuma is not the first Black president we have heard; you know what the other two did? They earned the respect from the people they lead, what does Zuma inspires?--go out there and have unprotected sex!!!!SIES the man is stupid--Lastly-FYI-I am married and I never engage in foolish behaviour just because others do!!I will never respect such a stupid person.
LindelwaMkhize
Not sure whether it's your reasoning capacity that is a pin size here or you forgot your reading glasses or you are dyslectic, did you not see the part where I say I am not saying sleeping around without a condom is right but it happens, people do things wrong or right whether we agree with it or not, and stop being a chauvinist you know what by saying I sound like a women, your are too naive to understand my points anyways, because like it or not if there weren't men that are in a position of power in relationships, then the health dept.would not be spending millions on campaigns to make young girls aware of sugar daddies, until you are grown enough to understand the different psychological positions our people are in you will never understand why ills in society still happen even though we are trying to fight them, and by the way I am educated both in life and acedamics, and background is very good because I come from a family that taught me never to insult my elders regardless of what they have done.So lastly I am not forMr Zuma sleeping around but I definitely do not agree with silly artist and YOU who ever you real name is stripping him of his right to human dignity no where in the constitution does it say a person must be respected only when they have earned it.lastly your background really speaks volumes if you have a nerve to call a 70 year old man a Stupid, Shame feel sorry for your parents, I am 27 years old and my parents would give me a beating of my life if they even hear by rumour that I called an elder a stupid even if he behave foolishly. PSForch
@Tzozoka1. You know why they looked respectable in your eyes? Because you respect their education background. You know why I respect president Zuma? Irrespective of what you and other haters say, he has done much more than the intellectuals did. He is accessible, created departments that make it easier for women and children to be catered for. Created a department of veterans so that our veterans could be well looked after. Stopped Americans and Europeans to come with their strong currencies to buy our land as we cannot compete. Guess what your intellectual sold our land piece by piece to foreigners. Go check who owns the Waterfront in Cape Town. What Zuma inspires is that he can take very unpopular decisions on your behalf and you continue to hurl insults at him. You know what? Only Zuma are sure that MK AND SOLAR members in the Defence Force go with full retirement benefits, counting their years of service from exile. ONLY HIM. So before you hurl insults GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!Forch
MK & APLA not SOLAR.Mele
ever so quick to talk about dignity and respect, what about the dignity and respect of the thousands who live in slums and compromise these on a daily. if we could react the same way to the conditions the poor are subject to maybe then we would have different depictions of the president as calls to action would prevail.if Zuma's daughters acknowledge that their customs are seemingly rejected by the western notions of prestige as represented in the painting then surely they themselves should not be advocates of it...ths is purely my opinion, those girls are very western. you cnt b african only when it suites you. non the less, the painting is desrespectful and compromises the dignity of the president. its distrubing that the artist and his defenders see no shame in the matter.
Oblivion23
Geez, I don't the guy and everything he stands for but this is taking it too far! The painting is dispicable and distasteful. Even if you don't like a person you do not disrespect them in this manner, this is someone's father for goodness sake did this so called artist even think of this man's children.M'Lungu
Ag nee! Now some of his many daughters are crying over dignity, culture and respect etc!C'mon on - a President of a country with 6 spouses and 20 children!There are people starving in Africa, but our Prez and his rather well fed family does not worry.We live in a democracy - not a selective democracy you stupid people! So it is bad to depict the president with his shlong hanging out - but when he behaves in the manner he so well does, no one utters a word about his "cultural behaviour?"There are more than one culture in this country - when you want to progress up the ladder of civilization you need to respect other cultures (freedom of expression and artistic freedom as well)
The daughters should not have selective rage and by the way - it's quite a nice big "straw!
Lucky-Angel
When former president Thabo was removed, there were insults hurled at him - things like he was sleeping with his many female cabinet ministers - and there was no noise about it. Zuma slept with his friends' daughters and I'm sure Mr Artist took that into consideration. Zuma and daughters must just live with it and move on - peiod!!Tzozoka1
Point of correction to LindelwaMkhize--when I said you sound like a woman--What I was saying here is that I felt so dissapointed to here a woman promoting such stupid behaviour simply because people do it and it is natural.Another thing, do not feel sorry for my parent they taught me well,YOU EARN RESPECT AND DIGNITY no matter how old you are or whoever you are.I will still continue to call Zuma foolish,stupid and irrespossible for sleeping around with no condoms and making babies all over,our nation is in crisis.where do you even start to fight this pendemic when the so called HEAD is difunctional?As for your point about men in position of power, yeeer too low.I do not expect that from a 27 year old in 2012.I would have expected to here that from a 60 year old granny back then.Today women stand their ground sister and say things they do not need.Anyway I just hope your education backround does not come from the Universitu of Zumaland somewhere in IKANDLA because you will become 70 and still stucked in a 14 year old mind,just like Shower Man.
LindelwaMkhize
Tzozo1 you are hopelessly naive it does not mean if women are standing their ground it applies to all the women in south africa, which rock have you been hiding under, let me tell you somthing South Africa is still going through a transsion and things are haven't changed for all the women in South Africa I am taking this conclusion from what I see happening in my community there are still women who depend on men for their livellyhood and you and I cannot judge them because we do not know their circumstances, there is still a long way to go until women are completely liberated like me and some of my peers and I think I am clever enough to not only understand my liberation as a young women in South Africa but understand that there are still women who are trapped in this cruel situation of gender inequality, you are the foolish one to think that just because you are liberated does not mean that everyone is and that to me is an insult to the fight that is going on to liberate every women in South Africa. By your own theory you also do not deserve respect if you are blond enough to think if there would be a university in INKANDLA it would be of lower quality, because I had an aunt who went to the university of Zululand up until she graduated with her masters in psychology she was a excellent psychologist who was respected in her field, and as for my education background I just want to tell you that I was fortunate enough to go to one of the best university in south africa but I cannot dismiss the hardships my fellow south africans are going through and think that everything is rosy just because things are rosy for me and I had the opportunities are young and old people only dream of.XanNkabinde
Haai shame Thandy, unenkinga, and inkinga yakho iproblem, uzobastrong sthandwa.....lazo
South Africa is going through turbulences and quite a lot of bad things are happing in the very country we once envisaged to be a healing ground for the disgruntled. South Africa will never be the same again. It is not President Zuma who has caused problems in this country. Problems have always been there since the beginning of history of this world back in Eden. We are a laughing stock in other countries. There is a common trend now in South Africa. People gossip in their boardrooms and dens about matters related racism, corruption, unemployment, third world and so on. Why can't people find a better for discussing these issues. Well this country will never be the kind of Canaan we have once dreamed of. But I have good news to those caring South Africans. This country needs you to pamper it with beautiful colours so that it can be attractive to the onlookers. The painting that seems to get South Africa talking is obviously not the right way of expressing one's innermost feelings. We all have feelings but there is always a better platform of dealing with things, instead of insulting ones dignity and character. Black people don't know anything about the interpretation of painting, probably one might say. However, the very painting in question is nothing else but a blatant insult to a father, the son of the African soil and the president of this country. It is obvious from the painting itself that there are unresolved battles in South Africa. Probably I lack the understanding of morality here. Maybe the western and African way of defining morality is not the same thing. I am not defending utata u Zuma (who happens to be a senior citizen of this country) but one should know exactly what the freedom of speech entails. I have a proposal for those who disagree with me, dare to paint a picture of naked Queen Elizabeth. You'd be hunted by thousands of snipers before finishing the painting itself. So South African let us go back to where we first started. Ubuntu, respect, love and peace!RAdioKILLAH
hello;@LindelwaMkhize
Totally agree with you mageu#8zola, except the Juju part, but either than that you are totally right.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------i've read all your comments, fair and morally right. But this particular one that i've cut and pasted above makes me think otherwise. You've written very fair justifications about the president's flaws and reasonably so, you are right. but why do you judge Juju, is it because he's no longer friends with your president?
LindelwaMkhize
Hi there RAdioKillah, I was not judging Juju, but I just don't agree with his disrespect for our elders, you maybe in politics or business but at the end of the day you have to have respect for your fellow humanbeings even if they don't respect themselves.SHANGI24
@LindelwaMkhize; @mageu#8zola; @lazo good points guys.I personally do not like Zuma but as an elder and a father I respect him. The picture is distasteful and sickening to say the least.
M'Lungu
Eish! Gugu is whining about the straw which broke the camel's back - is she rerering to El'prez's straw?Nuthing to be shy about that there straw!
I do however agree - he is a father and a husband and should be treated with dignity!
viva
It is about time that we deal with these people in a proper way. For years we are forgiving, enough is enough. This so called artist is not artist, real artist think positive. Any protest or march against this exhibition I promise to take part. If I was a child of the President would start a serious protest outside this evil gallery. I blame the whole management they are dirty people.JUJU-Junia
the mere fact that you associate the painting with racism creates tensions... now would it have made any difference if the man in the painting was painted white?the constitution that we fought for allows and protects the right to freedom of expression...now if the painting is to be removed would that not be destroying the very constitution the we love and protect?
is it wrong for an artist to have a creative imagination that is not limited? sometime we have to laugh at our selves in relation to how other people see(picture) us and not always expect to be seen in a good picture.
a lot of comedians (black&white) had made nasty,rude and disgraceful comments about the president did we say they are racist/disrespectful of our country and president or did we just laugh it off?
why can't we just laugh this off and continue to build a south Africa in which blacks and whites do not tolerate one another but really love and live in peace without raising the race card every time one of us makes a mistake.
branded
@Tzozoka1you took the words out of my mouth, cud'nt have said it better.
somaartakeit
jeeeer it did took you dumb daughters of SA's number 1 pervert a friggin long time to be offended by your dad's rattling snake? remember that he is alleged to have violated a woman (guest daughter of his dead exile mates) in a room next to that of his daughter? as if that was not bad enough his daughter had to go to court testify on his r@pe case, I am not saying the pic is right or wrong, in fact I don't give a fig abt it, cause it matter not in the big scheme of our social issues.somaartakeit
AmazedIn this case the government must Follow Mugabe way OF DOING THINGS Just send police or SANDF tO REMOVE IT AND THEN THEY CAN FOLLOW LEGAL PROCESS WHILE IT IS REMOVED. iT IS JUST NOT RIGHT
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I suggest you speak with Tatane family before you ask that the state use security forces to enforce their will above us, and Tatane is just one of the many of you that will follow if you don't tow the line like nice sheep marching obediently into slaughter.
Forch
@somaartakeit. I like it when idiots start running around and touch this and that, Tatane family neh! I suppose in your eyes president Zuma lead the attack on Tatane and killed him. Who is that staying abroad and ashamed of being lead by a man who just make babies and marry. Haaahaaahaaaa! You would be funny if you were not so pathetic. Ashamed because you are worried what your white hosts could be thinking of you? Look sweetheart, we do our business as we see fit just like everyone Sprague/her business. We ask no approval from no one. And as for you save your embarassment and concentrate on being a second class citizen of whatever country you are in.GumaniGumani_Jr.
Disrespect of South Africa as a whole not for the Zuma's family or him as a President of Mzanzi yhe gallery must be close for good coz even if they can apologized it wont mean anythin coz the download of the picture is already all over the world as we speak.as the citizen of Mzanzi we must know our boundary and show respect to our President.somaartakeit
@RAdioKILLAHhello;
@LindelwaMkhize
Totally agree with you mageu#8zola, except the Juju part, but either than that you are totally right.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------i've read all your comments, fair and morally right. But this particular one that i've cut and pasted above makes me think otherwise. You've written very fair justifications about the president's flaws and reasonably so, you are right. but why do you judge Juju, is it because he's no longer friends with your president?
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It should always be remember that Malema (aka Juju) was zuma's brainchild, so I agree with you RadioK!llah, you can't judge the one and not the other. On jujuzuma circus freakshow, I will not allow myself to be dragged into it, cause both deserve each other fully, but I think zuma is even a bigger clown, at least Malema has still time to mend his ways/actions, but what examples does zuma give to the rest of the citizens?
somaartakeit
@GumaniGumani_Jr.Disrespect of South Africa as a whole not for the Zuma's family or him as a President of Mzanzi
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Just for your information, my family (SAn) is not represented by zuma so its impossible to disrespect my family cause we don't share same values as zuma, zuma is just a SAn sick joke, and sooner most of you will realise this, but for now you may blissfully wallow in the pool of ignorance.
somaartakeit
Just when you thought Mr big shorts can't be more scandalous!!!mg.co.za/article/2012-05-24-zuma-linked-water-boss-gets-job-back
SA please vote this joke out, even if the anc re-elects him at Manguang, we can do better than this.
Forch
@somaartakeit. You know the joke is actually on you because whether you like it or not we are going to Mangaung with only one objective in our minds, "Second Term for Nxamalala". Hate him all you like, he ha done much more for the country than you'd ever want to admit.somaartakeit
@ Forch the joke is actually on the majority who are poor whose aspirations will never be realised cause guys like you fail to elect competent leaders to effect their economic social issues of the nation, and the tragedy of it all, SA as a economic power house of Africa shld have massive influence, but alas we don't have cause we are being led by a vision-less tr!balist.and
since you chose to make this to be about me and not a national issues, let me brief you on me (social standing) whether the anc incompetent regime delivers yes or no, it has little to no effect on me, cause I can use my financial muscle to effect mine and my family lives, I cld chose to watch the rest of you drop dead like flies, or I cld do my civil duty to demand leaders who hold to heart interest of the country and by extension nation,
Forch
@somaartakeit. That's the thing about you people who have two cents extra than others, you think it can buy the way the rest of us think. We do not know you and from what you articulate we can tell that you are either white or you have served white masters. Let's tell you about the ANC, We know it and we know that it liberated us. On the other hand I feel that you are pained by the role it played, shame you will have to be strong.Before you judge people because of your half cent, you have no clue who you say is ignorant. ANC is not for the idiots and the ignorant as you purports. Some of us have travelled the world extensively more that you can ever dream of considering that you dangle your two cents so much. So you see, never think you are talking to someone living in squatter camp because we defend the dignity of a black man. Those squatter camps are indoors by your masters as they jailed people for daring to come and live in Towns and cities.
Lastly you blabber about South Africas influential role, it is the gateway to Africa despite what haters like you say. It was specifically invited to be a member of organisations like IBSA and BRICS. It is invited in most African countries to resolve conflicts and bandla it does. So please your hatred does not necessarily change how things happen because you wish them to be otherwise.
somaartakeit
So Forch you should feel lucky that there are still well off ppl such as myself, who pay attention to your back street politics which will in the end result in most of you being refugees like the ones who are now being chucked out from Israel, cause like you, they stupidly chose stupid leaders to lead them into the mor@ss, just like sewer rats without any standards, have little to no expectations of duties of leaders to the people, either than them treating the lot of you as petty slaves, then drive over you with their expensive armoured vehicles flanked by violent goons amidst of the drunken stupor , such as the case in the Zu.lu situation, I said you lot should have a long chat with T@tane's widow anc's very own H#ctor Pie.terson.Forch
Your insults don't bother me much as I expect the enemy to continue with its distractive ways. But here I just want to give you a free lesson on SA politics, Hector Peterson had nothing to do with ANC, he was a young boy killed by your masters or uncles while peacefully marching against the use of Afrikaans language medium of teaching.somaartakeit
@Forch@somaartakeit. "I suppose in your eyes president Zuma lead the attack on Tatane and killed him" the security forces of his regime murdered T@tane in the same gruesome and horrific way and for same reasons that Malan's regime viciously murdered Hector Piet.erson, but don't take my word for it, keep bleating after him just like a good sheep you are!
"Who is that staying abroad and ashamed of being lead by a man who just make babies and marry" I suggest you speak in your native language cause you are not making sense.
' Ashamed because HE IS A PERVERT running amok in a country riddled with aids, thus giving bad examples for uneducated sheep idolising him, even one of ministers who has about same amount of kids iwth different partners just dies of aids, shiceka?
"you are worried what your white hosts could be thinking of you?" Unlike you and the anc, my views are not influenced by white liberals who are holding hand of your incompetent leaders cause they want them addicted to being mere b@@sboys/girls in Mercedes Benz whilst they are looting countries resources and only affording you peasants peanuts
"We ask no approval from no one" LoL like in outstanding land reform cause your b@@s Hannekom didn't think it was priority? you anc are a sad joke to the struggle liberation.
"And as for you save your embarassment and concentrate on being a second class citizen of whatever country you are in" Second class citizens? I pick and chose where to live whilst the likes of you have to wrestle over an RDP house falling to pieces, and I have best doctors looking after my health just amongst other luxuries I am able to enjoy as a "second class citizen" something which is for most of you esp anc vote fodders haven't got, so who is second or last class citizens of the world?
somaartakeit
and btw Forch it wld seem to me that the likes of you learnt nothing from Malema Vavi saga? who were willing to die for Zuma? and once Zuma no longer needed them to carry him on their shoulders he dumps them and get new set of slaves in you and Gigaba and the lot, you lot are insufferable, really let me see what is the slogan gonna be this time from Zuma's foot soldiers? "I will die for Zuma's prick"? you bunch of sad, sad back street tosser deserve Zuma and all that's coming, like Malema Vavi are now receiving their come comeuppance!!!And my wish to you is that uZuma akugovoze with his spear in your mouth!!!
TwisisaKhosa
huh!MartinHavenot
say the painting seeks to take away their father's "dignity and destroy his true character and stature as a man, a father, a leader of the ANC and South African society at large".He destroyed his own dignity and true character long ago by the many terrible things he has done including rape, corruption and fraud.
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